Do I have a chance to compete in olympic tkd or be on high lvl black belt?

Discussion in 'General Taekwondo Discussions' started by Daria, Feb 26, 2017.

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What do u think, do I still have a chance? Is it possible?

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  1. Daria

    Daria New Member

    I am 16yr's old girl from Poland, I practice in olympic taekwondo class but as an beginner,
    because I am white belt for now. I want to go to advanced class after a year, and I have big chances to do that. And my goal is to be a olympic champion or at least one of the best black belts. I want to compete as much as I possibly can. Grand prix, Cups, Europe championships or world etc. I will add to my training fitness to be flexible as soon as I can and to have powerful kicks and good condition. I will train 7 times a week, one session on day for like 2 hours of tkd, and then I will go to fitness for 2/3 hours (5 times a week) to achieve my goals. Just honestly answer me tkd experts - do I still have a chance or should I leave this dream...? Forgot to say that I have individual teaching, so I have plenty of time, at least this whole year. Thank you in advice for all answers.
     
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  3. canadiankyosa

    canadiankyosa Active Member

    What is a "best" black belt? Keep in mind the over-training concept. Seven days a week of training can be good depending on what is done each day but 2-3 hours 5 days/week is, depending on what you consider it, unneeded "fitness" training. There are people who say they are going to the gym for three hours. There is no need to be at a gym for more than one hour. There is cadio training which is up to 20 minutes/day of high intensity (80% MHR) exercise and fat burning which is the previous for more than 20 minutes. If you are doing strength training, also, get Tom Kurz's book Stretching Scientifically, and the video for stretching and strength, Flexibility Express because most martial arts clubs have no clue as to proper routines for stretching and strength. Your TKD forms and light sparring can be a cardio workout and a warm-up to dynamic stretching (see Kurz's book for a breakdown of the methods of stretching) which is the primary stretch we need (ballet and gymnasts need static stretching). Keep in mind, also, stretching will NOT prevent injury. It only increases the range of motion and the point where and injury may occur (you can injure a muscle walking down the street or sleeping).

    http://www.stadion.com/flexibility-express/

    Flexibility training can be done anytime, anywhere with no warmup when done properly. For example, if watching tv or homework, etc just put your hands on a supporting object, to remove most body weight, and stretch until you feel tension. Hold this for over 30 seconds and up to 5+ ,minutes. The goal: to feel your muscles relax (which is what "stretching" really is). Do this for three reps anytime of the day.
     
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  4. Daria

    Daria New Member

    Well, you helped me a lot, but I still don't know if I have a chance. And with this ''best black belt'' I meant very good fighter and practitioner. So if there's no sense to be at the gym more than one hour, then I will do cardio in fitness club and some strenght exercices. At home I will stretch and outside I will train kicks. Do you think that's a good idea? So 1 hour at gym 7 days/week, 15-45 minutes stretching 7 days/week and 1 or 2 hours tkd kicking outside 7 days/week depending what weather is outside.
     
  5. canadiankyosa

    canadiankyosa Active Member

    To clarify what I mean by 2+ hours at a gym. Many of the people who go figure their strength and cardio has to take that long. It is a wrong assumption.

    Basic breakdown

    Monday, Wednesday, Friday:

    * cardio for 20 minutes
    * dynamic stretching if you are going to do kicking or hyung/poomse practice there
    * for beginners: full body endurance strength training (light weight, high reps@3 sets w/30-60 second rest) (for 6 weeks)
    * static stretching

    Or

    The same routine but the strength training/stretching will be, for more experienced, to do the upper body these days
    and the lower body Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday (Sunday is a rest day) for 6 weeks.

    Note, too, that strength training and static stretching of the same muscles on the same day is counter-productive. To do the splits, do a heavier static stretch on the upper body days and your off day. The passive light stretching I mentioned that can be done while doing tv or homework can be done 7 days a week.

    Yes, the kicking and hyung can be done outside (especially if you are in an area with light or no winters) using, with light touch, tree branches/leaves for targets.

    Others on here, I can assure you, will give their help with training tips. I still strongly suggest Tom Kurz's book (was under $10 on Amazon for the ebook) and video I mentioned (do not pay $99 U.S. for it, though)
     
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  6. Daria

    Daria New Member

    Thank you very much :)! U didn't said if I have a chance, but let's say I have because you giving me advices and what and when should I train :D So now I will get to work!
     
  7. canadiankyosa

    canadiankyosa Active Member

    Note that I cannot honestly answer an unanswerable question about your having a chance which every person actually has. A great start is to learn the basics and then apply those, slowly, in the ring. Too many times, beginners are put in a situation and told to "just do". Our club has the students do all the kicks/strikes/forms lined up like bowing in. The instructors. except me, tell them to kick while we "correct". This is not teaching just as putting a person in to just spar is not teaching sparring.
     
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  8. Daria

    Daria New Member

    I train in olympic tkd class but in beginners what is obvious, but after a year I want to go to advanced class and try my best, but now I will focus on basic forms, kicks etc. and most on flexibility, because it's very important. If you recognize Karol Robak, 19yr's old teenager who was in Rio you should have good word about my club because he's from there :). I should be fine, there are great coaches.
     
  9. canadiankyosa

    canadiankyosa Active Member

    It is so sad the people call themselves "coaches" when they cannot even do a proper warm-up and cool-down. There is not requirement, in most places, for certification. Train hard, get the basics and you have the chance that anyone who trains hard can have. Good luck
     
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  10. Finlay

    Finlay Active Member

    A martial arts student went to his teacher and said earnestly, “I am devoted to studying your martial system. How long will it take me to master it.”

    The teacher’s reply was casual, “Ten years.” Impatiently, the student answered, “But I want to master it faster than that. I will work very hard. I will practice everyday, ten or more hours a day if I have to. How long will it take then?”

    The teacher thought for a moment, “20 years.”
     
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  11. Daria

    Daria New Member

    I understand what do you meant there. But I asked - Do I still have a chance to compete in olympics or world tournaments, my question wasnt' like this: Can I be a master of TKD in 3/4 years? But anyway nice speech there :).
     
  12. Pleonasm

    Pleonasm Member

    If you are talented, then yes. It is late but not too late.
     
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  13. slonomo

    slonomo New Member

    Everyone has a chance. It is never too late. If Olympic competition is your goal, then everyday you must take one step closer to that goal. Yes, you must train. Yes, you must be strong. But remember.....Martial Arts is not about "fighting". You shouldn't view Olympic sparring as fighting. It's a competition. You might think that it's a competition against an opponent, and yes the opponent is there. But the real competition is inside you. You must show yourself that you can be a good martial artist, a humble martial artist, gentle yet strong. Being in shape is not enough. Being athletic is not enough. The real training you must do is inside your mind and soul.

    I have one question.....Why do you want to win at the Olympics?

    Usually the answer is, "I want to be the best." But the truth is, if you know you are the best that "YOU" can be, does the medal even matter?

    Being the best in the world is not important. It might even be impossible. There are martial artists that are much greater in ability than the ones who earn a gold medal. How can you test yourself against them? You see, trying to be the "BEST" is an impossible dream. But being "YOUR BEST" is very real and achievable. Maybe your journey to the Olympics will get you to "YOUR BEST", maybe it won't. Maybe you will achieve "YOUR BEST" much later in life after you have trained and taught hundreds of students to become their best.

    I wish you nothing but success and peace in your life. But in my opinion, your motive is flawed. You must understand that martial arts is a journey, and mastery comes with the journey, not with the medals.
     
  14. Matt

    Matt Member

    Olympics. That is a highly sought after goal that many fail to reach. Is it possible? Yes. Is it hard to get there? Also yes.

    Dedication is key. But, you must also not lose sight of what the training really means to you. Taekwondo is not just a sport. It is a martial art. That is the bigger picture, Taekwondo is a way of life not measurable by a number of medals you collect. You could be the best Taekwondo practitioner in the world and never compete. Or you could have the most medals, but only because you train in Olympic sparring and nothing else. So the question simply is; do you wish to train in Taekwondo? or do you wish to train in a sport?

    Sport Taekwondo is a growing concept. These are Taekwondo practitioners that train until usually first or second-degree black belt and then dedicate all of their training towards sparring. This is not the way to train. You may win a lot of medals, but you will not be held to the same level as others in the sport who have dedicated their lives to learning the martial art. Many kids just want to win medals and they don't want to put in the work to actually learn why we practice, and what we practice, and how to use what we practice. Those are the harder parts to our training. I too wanted to be a great fighter when I was younger. But, after winning national competitions in the US I felt nothing. I felt a greater connection to the sport as I continued my training and continued to learn. I no longer compete, but I teach and learn every single day. So that is your question you have to answer. Do you want to learn it for the sport? or actually learn the martial art?
     

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